Well, actually its curving away but Ave H avoid the curve and take you to it at Albany Ave. And from that point its all residential and there are no freight sidings. IRT Utica only needs a simple switch added to Rogers Junction to start running. But you are right, at G/J/M/Z transfer would be best! Its a dense, transit dependent corridor with a recently opened and popular Select Bus Service line and the Utica Ave stations on the 3/4 and A/C have some of the highest ridership on their respective lines. You took the time to write a response but not to read what I wrote? Might A, closer station spacing, only holds against full-length express trains. On the Utica Ave. subway, a half-baked idea with no champion written by Benjamin Kabak February 28, 2017 The Utica Ave. subway extension has once again disappeared into the ether of New York City politics. It wont really be providing new services, since youre just substituting services that already exist. The station's I-beam columns are painted maroon, alternating ones having the standard black station name plate with white lettering. In fact I am writing this today because I want to get ahead of whatever the official plan might state; I have very little faith in MTA planners and I feel that anything they release will be overly designed in a way so that its D.O.A. As for the bus Im sure it will go back to being local but if the demand is there for SBS (especially thru Bed Stuy) theres nothing stopping it from remaining. Existing abandoned portions: Part of a station for 6 tracks, with four island platforms. South of Kings Highway, due to the aforementioned geological issues, the line would have to be elevated. This is why I say do IRT now and level provisions for the future. And thats a jump I dont think we could ever make. I also dont believe in using provisions for the sake of using provisions; S 4 St (the actual street parallel to Broadway) was never fully completed, so building a subway using that old path would be wildly expensive. The 8th Ave Subway was designed to replace the 9th Ave El, the 6th Ave and 2nd Ave Subways to replace elevateds running above their avenues. MTA. station. I think I can solve that problem and still have a train servicing East NY&Brownsville, Mill Basin, and Flatbush/East Flatbush. The second plan would be far cheaper but would require that only local trains have access to Nostrand Ave while the express trains would split past the junction so that half would continue as locals and the other would run express. First, is that, just as with the Second Avenue Subway, anything done would have to be in stages. Climbing the steps to the intermediate level, there are locked doors that serve as access to the unfinished platforms. It looks to be about two miles long. from Eastern Parkway to Flatbush Avenue, extending the #4 by four miles. This would boost capacity and turn around time on the entire 7th Ave express line. 3 trains dont go to Brooklyn late nights. These look less industrial than plain CBTC will raise it higher and the E trains route is already budgeted for that in both Manhattan and Queens. The same happens if the A leaves. The New Lots branch of the IRT ascends to the surface right after it leaves Eastern Parkway (due very much to the terrain) and it would make sense that the IRT would have the Utica Line do the same. much cheaper and fits the mtas little goes a long way attitude. When looking at your plans for Utica Avenue, you seem to only put emphasize on what the area is like now and not in the future. The Culver Viaduct is at maximum 90 feet wide requiring it take up half the block (Brooklyn blocks like these are 200 feet wide). But I think it was for a different one than the four you give. Located at Utica Avenue and Fulton Street in BedfordStuyvesant, Brooklyn, it is served by the A train at all times and the C train at all times except late nights. It will cost less. Double-deck single tracks. [16], The IRT Eastern Parkway Line was built as part of Route 12 from 1915 to 1918. Close by to where youd have your subway portal at Kings Highway is the Bay Ridge branch. 4. The victim was found. Especially for a line such as the 5 that lacks walking distance stations in comparison to the Nostrand Avenue line. At its peak, it had more than 50 businesses.. Well then what are we waiting for? Between Fulton St and Eastern Parkway the crest of the ridge which runs along Long Island rises 52 feet. Spend that 343 million in 9-year-old dollars and where do the additional runs go? And its not a good alternative to the Lex, for the East Side, since the Lex is both more direct and has express trains. But MTA really needs to build an extension down Utica because its very dense, very isolated, and very cheap to build. An elevated extension known as Route No. There is also limited rush hour 2 and 5 services here. There is another part of the IND plan which, as far as I can tell, no one has figured out or brought up yet. Its smarter to do a IRT Utica line because the demand for a Utica Av Line is not in Bed-Stuy and Williamsburg, but in East Flatbush, Flatlands, and Mill Basin. Looking at a modern take on IND plan, since the Chrystie St Connection rerouted the 6th Ave express trains over the Manhattan Bridge and the extra local service to Williamsburg, there is no extra capacity along 6th Ave to connect with the new line. [18], On November 22, 1920, the first portion of the IRT New Lots Line opened between Utica Avenue and Junius Street opened on November 22, 1920, with shuttle trains operating over this route. In my futureNYCSubway plans over the years Ive always included Utica Ave in one form or another but one of the reasons I drew my NYC Subway Track Map was so I could see what I was really dealing with so we know what is really possible. Even 2nd Ave had to take a few buildings for ventilation plants. The incident happened inside the Utica Avenue subway station in Brooklyn on Christmas Eve. This is the level of transit that buses provide for a fraction of the cost. 480-foot B locals are actually 31 feet shorter than IRT local trains yet have more room because theyre wider. Pseudo-viaducts. In the 1929 plan, one set of tracks would have led down Stuyvesant Ave., crossing the IND Fulton St. Line at Utica Ave. where another shell station and some unused mezzanines live and continuing down Utica Ave. and to Marine Park. Crime Statistics (PDF) Crime Statistics (Excel) Contact Information. Less light-blocking like 5 but vertical. Then a tunnel would have to be built from Fulton to Eastern Pkwy, where the tunnel would have to be built directly under the 3/4, then a steep incline from Eastern Pkwy to Empire Blvd, so a portal could be built for the elevated line to Kings Plaza. Reviving the Nassau loop will only gain low ridership. In the intermediate level of the mezzanine, the closed section of the mezzanine was blocked only by a chain-link fence. Now we know late nights the 3/5 dont run in Brooklyn. challenge. Lets see how we might mitigate the new round of issues you brought up. Not a Hitch in the Service. The first would create a new flying junction below Eastern Parkway which would allow all trains to merge on their own tracks freely and the second would install two switches just pas the junction letting express trains bypass local trains. The transit desert is along Utica Ave south of Eastern Parkway. This leaves the possibility of resurrecting the Worth St Line, a branch off the 8th Ave local that would split south of Canal St and head east via Worth St and East Broadway. An article today about from Second Avenue Sagas about the 7 line extension station at Hudson Yards, awaiting passengers as the rest of the mega development is completed, reminded us of these.. The line was proposed to cut across town to Columbus Circle, one avenue block away. Utica Avenue Subway Station. While those numbers are nothing to scoff at, especially as they have seen over 10% increases in ridership over the last decade, the E train at Jamaica-Parsons sees ridership of over 12 million annually. The station spacing was done to keep costs down. 3. Same goes for if a problem happens by Flatbush or Utica, a train can be easily detoured to another branch. No spidery stairwells going to the ground. But thats how I see it. Oh yeah. Barring a brand new line paralleling the EPL and Fulton, which wouldnt make sense as long as capacity can still be raised on those lines, the Fulton Street line looks like the only way to ever realize that greater capacity. Climbing the ramp to the entrance level reveals more windows and doors These doors provide access to the disused portion of the upper level mezzanine, which has steps leading to the disused portion of the intermediate level mezzanine (which in turn leads directly to the unfinished station). RPA proposes extending the line on a gradual diagonal from 25th Street and 11th Avenue to Ninth Avenue and 14th Street, with a Station at 25th/23rd between 11th and 10th Avenues. and would cost a TON less money, I think like 10x less even with politicians, and would meet up at some kind of terminal like Times Square. On the other hand, your SAS plans involve building at least two complicated junctions to active tracks (including one under the East River) and lots of reliability-tanking interlining. Subway, local and express station, ADA accessible. 14 St. W 14 St and 7th Ave, W 13 St and 7th Ave, W 12 St and 7th Ave. Two island platforms. Now for the second option. 5. They are not evenly shared. [25][26][27][28][29] Just east of this station, a bellmouth splits away from the local track on both levels, and curves south. But what this plan does is allow for a new and better city to grow around the line rather than be divided by it. There is also limited rush hour 2 and 5 services here. 127 Utica Avenue Brooklyn, NY, 11213-2338. Youve presented an excellent case for ruling out Williamsburg. Anyone bemoaning the fact that President St. and Nostrand Ave arent connected? If we build to IND station size (while making easily-removable platforms extensions that allow the platforms to be disabled accessible to IRT trains) wouldnt that allow the subway to easily expand capacity once they find the money to make an IND connection or just convert the IRT to the IND gauge? hunting lodge motif with crossbeams. Members hailed the decision to save the station, and were encouraged by the public response to the Adirondack operation, despite its ultimate bankruptcy. Existing abandoned portions: Part of a station for 2 tracks and two side platforms. This is to avoid overcrowding issues at Franklin/Nevins, and to provide more alternatives along each corridor. Many transit activists I talk to refuse any plan which would take a single building but this is unrealistic in any city. The MTA studied [PDF] rebuilding this junction in 2009 and came up with two plans. subways or open cut sections. There are also some windows in this level. 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